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Chinese Students in America: It’s Bad Out There

Chinese students at American colleges

Much has been written about Chinese students coming to American colleges. An article out today, Chinese applications to U.S. schools skyrocket, [link no longer exists] starts out quoting a Chinese high schooler who is contemplating attending the University of Washington:

I know this [ambition] is pretty high,” said the 17-year old Beijing native.  “But I think I can give it a shot.”

To prepare, Duan wants to study international relations at an American college — someplace like the University of Washington. “I hear [it] is good at social science,” she said.

The University of Washington is one of approximately 10 U.S. universities Duan plans to apply to in the coming year with the help of an education consultant she hired last summer.

That got me to thinking about the complaints (yes, it has been nothing but complaints) I have heard from college students (about half of whom are at the University of Washington — but I certainly have heard the very same thing from sons and daughters of friends who attend other schools and from their parents as well, who in turn have heard it from their kids) about their fellow students from China. I am not going to editorialize at all here, beyond noting that I find these comments troubling. Instead, I am just going to set out the sort of things I have heard and let people discuss them in the comments.

I want to be very careful to note that these comments are about students from China, not about students of Chinese ethnicity. I also want to note that pretty much without exception, the students who conveyed these comments are sophisticated, intelligent, and well-traveled. They are not red-necks, by any means. In many instances, they would temper their comments by noting how the Chinese students who come from Hong Kong or Singapore or even Vietnam “are not like this.”

I have heard the following, mostly more than just once and virtually always with other students present, who always seem to join in. There is a lot of anger out there. Though I have put quote marks around the comments below, in most cases, I do not remember exactly what was said.

  • “They don’t come here to learn. They just come here for the grades.” I have heard this one at least a half dozen times.
  • “I am convinced that if our teacher asked the class what 2+2 equals, and nobody spoke up who is not from China, not a single student from China would answer.” I have heard some form of this one at least a dozen times.
  • “They are killing class discussion. They never contribute.” One student told me of how all the students not from China agreed not to speak one day to see what would happen. There was no class discussion and the teacher asked them not to do it again.
  • “I cannot even stand having to listen to them give presentations. Their English is terrible and they don’t even try. Somebody else must have taken the tests for them.”
  • “The school is going to regret having admitted them. They will never donate money to the school as alumni. It will be like they were never here at all.”
  • “You never see any of them at any school function. Never ever ever. Unless it can help them with a grade.” I am constantly hearing this one.
  • “They never make any effort to talk with anyone other than those who are also from China.”
  • “They cheat all the time. It is pretty unbelievable how often I have seen them cheating. I am always complaining to my professors about this, but they usually just act like they are too important to deign to deal with something like this. Just come watch a test being administered and it will be obvious. They are allowed to get away with it because they pay the foreign tuition rate. It isn’t fair.” I hear this one constantly as well and, needless to say, it is the one that causes the most anger.
  • “My friend with a 3.8 GPA and 650 SATs didn’t get in and had to go to ______. I know he/she would have contributed far more to the school than these students from China.”
  • “I’ve heard that most of them cheated to get in.”
  • “The school claims they contribute to diversity. That’s a complete lie. How can someone who never says anything contribute to anything? Everyone knows they are here only because they pay the foreign tuition rate.”
  • “I tried to speak with some of them, but they clearly had no interest.”
  • “This is a great way to ruin relations between China and us.”
  • “Why do they even bother? They come here to study, but since they never interact with anyone who is not from China, I don’t even see why they come.”

And again, what’s so interesting is how often the complaining students were careful to note that they had no issues with Chinese students from Hong Kong or Taiwan or Singapore or Malaysia or the Philippines or the United States, “who are not this way at all.” The above views really do seem to apply to just students from Mainland China.

I know we are going to get comments from people criticizing the students who made the above comments (and me for publishing them), but I think the more fruitful comments will address what can be done to help bridge this massive fissure. I would also love to see people address what this university-level tension portends for future China-US relations. I will note that I have heard Australia and the UK are dealing with the same sorts of issues.

What, if anything, needs to change?

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UPDATE: Seeing a comment below reminded me of something I should have put in this post. A few months ago, I spoke at my alma mater, Grinnell College. Grinnell is a small, liberal arts college in the middle of Iowa. Here is a New York Times article on Chinese students at Grinnell. It talks of how Grinnell’s admission is need-blind and of how a dozen full scholarships are set aside for foreign students. It says Grinnell usually accepts around 15 of 200 China applicants, out of total student body of about 1600 students. When I was at Grinnell this summer, I led a discussion group of maybe ten students interested in international law. Two of those students were from China and neither of them were the least bit reticent and both were exceedingly articulate, in English. In fact, one of them asked if she could go with me and my career services minder to the student union to talk some more. I have also met a number of law students from China who do not match the complaints above. So my thinking is that maybe the problem is in the numbers. If 500 students from China go to one university as undergrads, it is just too easy for them to act as set out above. But if 30 China students go to a small college that reviews the applications intensely for more than just the numbers (test scores and dollars) and absolutely will not tolerate its students not participating in class discussions or the life of the college, it can work out just fine. Your thoughts people. . .